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       Isolating Iran Is Part of the 
	  Great Energy Game: 
  Antony 
	  Loewenstein Interviewed By 
	  Kourosh Ziabari
  Al-Jazeerah, CCUN, August 8, 2010
  
	    
	  The Middle East is witness to continuous developments these days, such 
	  as Iran’s active diplomacy to attract the indispensable 118-member bloc of 
	  non-aligned countries to support its nuclear program, the growing 
	  isolation of Israel in European countries and within academic circles in 
	  the U.S., Arabs’ fears of losing the power game in the Persian Gulf 
	  region, and the expansion of illegal settlements of Israel in the West 
	  Bank and its unremitting disobedience to United Nations Security Council 
	  resolutions.   Such developments have turned the Middle East into 
	  the center of international attention. Iran, as the Persian Gulf region’s 
	  only non-Arab nation, Israel, as the world’s sole Jewish state, and a host 
	  of fragile Arab countries, who are being immersed in the waves of the 
	  West’s economic turmoil, find their destiny intertwined, with each party 
	  trying to surmount the other. All this makes for an interesting, yet 
	  worrying, rivalry in the Middle East.   In order to investigate the 
	  ongoing Israel-Palestine conflict and explore the prospect of Iran’s 
	  nuclear standoff, Foreign Policy Journal has interviewed Antony 
	  Loewenstein, an Australian journalist and political activist who is a 
	  co-founder of Independent Australian Jewish Voices. Loewenstein’s articles 
	  on Iran, Israel and Middle East current affairs have appeared on the 
	  Guardian, Washington Post, Sydney Morning Herald and The Australian. He 
	  has also written two books, My Israel Question and The Blogging Revolution 
	    Kourosh Ziabari: The Israeli aggression against the 
	  people of Palestine is going on incessantly. The White House hasn’t taken 
	  any serious step to signal its willingness to prevent Israel from 
	  expanding the illegal settlements in the West Bank. What will happen 
	  eventually? Will Israel go on with its expansionistic approach in the 
	  occupied lands?    Antony Loewenstein: Israeli 
	  expansion on Palestinian land has continued for decades and there is 
	  little indication that this will stop anytime soon. Successive U.S. 
	  Presidents have meekly complained about the occupation of the West Bank 
	  and Gaza but continued to fund the Zionist state. Washington claims to 
	  believe in a two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians but 
	  the occupation has made this viably impossible. The alternatives are 
	  unpleasant for the Zionist mind to consider, not least a bi-national state 
	  or one-state equation, where soon Jews will be outnumbered by Arabs. But 
	  Israeli Jews should not fear this. Like the whites in South Africa under 
	  apartheid, they have to make a choice, either more years of oppressing 
	  another people and facing global isolation or a nation with equal status 
	  for all its citizens.   KZ: President Obama has 
	  recently threatened Iran with a possible nuclear strike. Can we trace the 
	  footsteps of the Zionist lobby in the provocative remarks by the U.S. 
	  president? Will the U.S. finally stage a nuclear war in the Middle East to 
	  protect its unalienable ally against an “Iranian threat”?    
	  AL: The chance of Washington launching a nuclear strike 
	  against Iran is very slim, though the current concern is President Obama 
	  allowing Israel to use tactical nuclear weapons or simply a military 
	  adventure against the Islamic Republic in a misguided attempt to stop its 
	  supposed nuclear program. There is no doubt that many members of the U.S. 
	  Congress and the Zionist lobby are encouraging a military strike against 
	  Iran. But the real agenda is largely hidden. This isn’t about nuclear 
	  weapons or even meddling in Iraq or Afghanistan but regional rivalry to 
	  the Jewish state, something not to be tolerated. Iran, after the 
	  disastrous Iraq war, has risen in stature and power in the Middle East. 
	  The country is a brutal dictatorship that represses its own people, and 
	  last year’s sham election for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad only confirmed this 
	  trend, but its oil wealth allows resistance against American and Israeli 
	  interests.   KZ: As an honorary citizen of Detroit, the late Iraqi 
	  dictator Saddam Hussein was once one of the most cordial friends of White 
	  House during the tenure of Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter. He was given 
	  enormous military and political support by the U.S. during the 8-year war 
	  with Iran. Finally, the United States captured and executed him once his 
	  mission was over. Is the same tragedy going to happen for Israel and its 
	  leaders?    AL: One of the great challenges for our age is applying 
	  international law equally across the globe, to both Western leaders and 
	  others. Thus far, the Hague’s International Court of Justice and other 
	  associated bodies have largely focused on atrocities in places like 
	  Rwanda, Liberia and beyond. These are important cases that should be 
	  pursued, but there is a growing movement, especially in the UK and Europe, 
	  to hold Israeli political and military leaders to account. Witness the 
	  valiant attempt to arrest former Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni in 
	  London recently for her role in the criminal war against Gaza in late 2008 
	  and early 2009. She canceled her trip before the court order could be 
	  executed but more attempts will be forthcoming.   KZ: Keeping in 
	  mind the Jewish background of jurist Richard Goldstone and his affiliation 
	  with the Israeli universities and groups, which exempts him from 
	  allegations of being an anti-Semite, why did the United States denounce 
	  his elaborate report in which both sides of the Gaza conflict were held 
	  accountable and called upon to make impartial investigations into their 
	  possible violations of human rights and war crimes?   AL: Richard 
	  Goldstone’s UN Gaza report was an important document that meticulously 
	  outlined the crimes of both Hamas and Israel in Operation Cast Lead. 
	  America and some of her allies, including Australia, rejected its findings 
	  because they feared its recommendations could be used against their own 
	  military adventures in, say, Iraq or Afghanistan. Western allies have for 
	  years killed scores of civilians in the “war on terror” and never been 
	  held accountable. The Goldstone report, when directed towards Israel and 
	  Hamas, rightly argued that international law demands that civilians are 
	  protected during war. Israel used disproportionate force against the 
	  Palestinian population in an attempt to collectively punish them for both 
	  resisting and backing Hamas.   KZ: Referring to the 1995 
	  assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin by a fellow Israeli 
	  member of the Likud party, the American journalist Jeff Gates has 
	  metaphorically suggested that the American President Barack Obama may be 
	  assassinated by Israel one day. Is it actually possible that Israel will 
	  finally betray its long-time benefactor, akin to what happened to Iran’s 
	  former U.S.-backed Shah?    AL: Although there is profound anger 
	  within Israel towards Barack Obama because of his very mild comments 
	  against Zionist expansion in the West Bank, I don’t think Israel will be 
	  assassinating the American President anytime soon or leaving its warming 
	  embrace. Without Washington’s support, diplomatically, militarily, and 
	  politically, Israel wouldn’t last a few weeks.   KZ: Hitherto, 
	  Israel has refused to adhere to the U.N. Security Council resolutions that 
	  hold it accountable to its international obligations, including Resolution 
	  487 in which Israel was urgently called upon to “place its nuclear 
	  facilities under IAEA safeguards”. How is it possible to hold Israel 
	  accountable for what it’s doing in the Middle East while the unconditional 
	  support of the U.S. doesn’t seem to be diminishing?   AL: Aside from 
	  using international law for what it is intended, the growing BDS (boycott, 
	  divestment and sanctions) movement is encouraging. Witness the recent 
	  great debates at leading American universities, including Berkeley, on 
	  boycotting multinationals that back the Israeli occupation of Palestine. 
	  Palestine is becoming one of the key issues in the activist community and 
	  beyond and is bringing disparate groups together to fight for a better 
	  future for all the citizens of Israel and Palestine. Furthermore, there is 
	  a growing debate within the American military establishment that 
	  Washington’s blind support for Israel is harming American interests in the 
	  Middle East. The Zionist lobby furiously rejects this charge but spend any 
	  time in the Arab or Persian world and Israel’s criminality is a rallying 
	  cry for anti-Western sentiment. It’s hardly surprising.   KZ: The 
	  White House is seemingly designing the whole framework of its foreign 
	  policy based on the interests of Israel. Its active lobbying in the 
	  Persian Gulf region to persuade Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Kuwait to sell 
	  their oil to China at lower prices so as to discourage Beijing from 
	  purchasing oil from Iran and thus, dragging China into the implementation 
	  of new sanctions against Tehran and weakening Iran and preparing it to be 
	  attacked by Israel is one of these examples. What’s your take on that?  
	    AL: The great energy game in the Middle East is certainly focused 
	  these days on supposedly isolating Iran, though it seems highly unlikely 
	  that Russia or China would support crippling sanctions against Tehran in 
	  the U.N. Washington and Israel are working together to secure their own 
	  energy interests by appealing to the Arab states’ supposed fear of Iran, 
	  which is real, though not because of human rights but a loss of regional 
	  supremacy. One should never forget that the U.S.-backed Arab states are 
	  dictatorships largely doing the bidding of another country. They aren’t 
	  independent. Sadly, a military strike against Iran would be quietly 
	  cheered across the Arab world. Not by the people, but by the political 
	  elites. It’s vital that journalists and policy makers do not make the same 
	  mistakes as before the 2003 Iraq war, when bogus claims and lies were told 
	  about Saddam Hussein and his supposed WMD. Saddam was a brutal autocrat 
	  but he led a weak nation. Iran is an entirely different story. During my 
	  time there and conversations with many Iranians since, the moment a 
	  military strike occurs or sanctions that harm the average people are 
	  implemented, support for the regime will increase. People in Iraq always 
	  say that the West never realize that the post-1991 sanctions, which 
	  suffocated the country, were never forgotten when Washington came to bring 
	  “democracy” in 2003.   - Kourosh Ziabari is an Iranian freelance 
	  journalist.  
       
       
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